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【键盘侠】皮蓬认为攻防全能才能拿MVP|字母哥更受他喜欢?

2019-02-16 14:57:47 来源:零点吧

【键盘侠】皮蓬认为攻防全能才能拿MVP|字母哥更受他喜欢?

Pippen on Harden and being looked at as an MVP: "If you dominate the ball that much on the offense, then you have to show some dominance on the defensive end. & that’s what I like about guys like a Paul George, or a Giannis, Kawhi, those guys play the game full force.. and they win the correct way

皮蓬谈哈登以及他的MVP前景:如果你在进攻端能够支配以及掌控球权,那么在防守端你也同样应该拿出统治力来,这就是为什么我喜欢乔治、莱昂纳德以及字母哥的原因,他们在攻防两端都能带给你压迫性,他们也以正确的方式赢球。

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[–][ORL] Aaron Gordonsupremehat13 1252 points 16 hours ago

Pippen looks mad as shit in the thumbnail

魔术球迷:皮蓬也太锱铢必较了吧。

[–]KnicksEasypeaseee 825 points 16 hours ago

That's just how much defence matters to him

尼克斯球迷:这显示了防守对他有多重要啊。

[–]BullsHiImDavid 221 points 13 hours ago

In all seriousness, given how much he focused on the defensive end, and how his scoring took a significant uptick the year and a half Jordan was playing baseball, I wonder how good of a scorer Pippen could have been as a number one option for a 4-5 year stretch.

By the time he went to Portland he was just past the tail-end of his athletic prime so he never really got that chance.

公牛球迷:严格而言,考虑到他在防守端的投入程度,以及在乔丹打棒球一年半的时间里他得分的上扬程度,我不禁猜想皮蓬在长达4-5年作为得分第一选择时的场景。

他去开拓者的时候已经是生涯晚期了,所以他几乎从来没有得到过这种机会啊。

[–]NBAzxc123zxc123 94 points 12 hours ago*

Pippen is underrated at times because of the shadow that Jordan's success casts. Doesn't help that Jordanstanis like Skip Bayless would spout b.s. undermining Pippen to make Jordan seem more legendary.

Reminder that Pippen also has 6 rings, also went 6 of 6 in the finals, and also swept a 6 time FMVP in their career match-ups.

As for those Portland years? Pippen wasn't as good but still pretty great. I'd say that basketball is a team game and Lakers were the better team Kobe+Shaq+Phil(+Harper+Fisher+Horry+etcetc). Also the twin towers Spurs in 99, Pop+Duncan+Robinson(+Elliot+Johnson+Elie+Kerr). Bold were ex-Bulls.

皮蓬实际上当时被低估得厉害,毕竟他一直生活在乔丹的阴影之下,当然乔丹吹那个时候也满嘴喷粪,实际上真的是皮蓬让乔丹变得更加神话。

别忘记皮蓬也有6个总冠军戒指,他同样也6次杀入总决赛,同样在对位中帮助乔丹拿到了6个FMVP。

置于在波特兰的岁月呢?皮蓬尽管没有那么强但是依然很棒啊,篮球毕竟是一个团体性运动湖人是一支更好的球队,他们有科比+沙克+杰克逊,同样还有99年的马刺双塔,波波+邓肯+罗宾逊,他们和曾经的公牛都能比肩了。

[–]chickendance638 51 points 11 hours ago

I always think of Pippen as the #1 choice in the history of the league for the 2nd best player on your team. He's so versatile and doesn't have a weak point in his game. He can defend 1-4, gets steals, rebounds, can play point guard, get to the rim, and make plays.

我总是觉得皮蓬是历史上最强的二当家,他非常全能,几乎没有弱点,他可以从1号位防守到4号位,可以抢断、抢篮板、打控球后卫、冲击篮筐并且支配球。

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[–]ThunderYour_Personal_Jesus 957 points 16 hours ago

Pippen was negative all day yesterday. Having Valentine's Day knowing your ex-wife is hanging with Future gotta be hard.

雷霆球迷:昨天一整天皮蓬都很消极啊,毕竟情人节你的前妻和别人一起玩儿去了,想想这个总是很难过的。

[–]TimberwolvesVoidPineapple 122 points 13 hours ago*

I appreciate how in the full quote he doesn't say that Harden doesn't play defense, he just doesn't play defense with the same intensity as the other guys. I think it's fair to say that with his offensive load he can take a few plays off on defense like LeBron's been doing these past couple years.

森林狼球迷:我还是很感激他整体的话里并没有说哈登根本不防守啊,他只是不像其他人一样在防守端施以相同的强度,我觉得公平说哈登肩上的进攻担子实在太重以至于他不能在防守端全力以赴,就好像曾经的勒布朗。

[–]jumanjiz 164 points 16 hours ago

He’s not wrong.

That said as a Rockets fan at this point I don’t want Harden focusing more on the defensive end. He had to get better than what he was... and he did... and that’s about his defensive ceiling.

He’ll never be able to stick with fast athletic guards and wings... which is almost every nba guard and wing. He can guard the post.

Hardens skill/athleticism is about acceleration/deceleration. He has very little lateral quickness relative to most nba guards/wings.

Focusing on trying to get better there when he can’t would make him a worse player.

But absolutely he trails Giannis in that regard. And PG and others.

他也没说错吧,尽管这个时候的火箭粉丝并不希望哈登把精力放在防守端,但是相较于现在的防守他有能力变得更棒……他也确实可以做到……这是关于他的防守上限的问题。

当然他是防不住那些快速的后卫和侧翼的……所以几乎是每个NBA侧翼和后卫都很难防,但是他低位防守很棒。

哈登的技能/运动能力是节奏的变化,实际上相较于大部分NBA的后卫和侧翼,他几乎没啥侧移能力。

专注于他办不到的事情确实会让他变成一个更差的防守球员。

但是他在防守端肯定是要落后于字母哥、乔治和其他人的。

[–]Buckslord_beerus987 70 points 15 hours ago

'win the correct way' what the fuck does this even mean? I want Giannis to win the MVP, but that kind of statement is just dumb. Winning is winning, why does it matter how Pippen perceives 'the right way' to win is.

雄鹿球迷:

“以正确的方式赢球”这句话到底啥意思啊?我希望字母哥赢得MVP,但是这句话简直不要太蠢,赢球就是赢球,为啥皮蓬要强调赢球的方式呢?

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[–]david6588 297 points 16 hours ago

He’s right

皮二爷没毛病啊。

[–]Heatwormhole222 223 points 16 hours ago

Harden has been fine on defense this year.

热火球迷:哈登这个赛季防守实际上好得多。

[–]76ersMPuddin 41 points 16 hours ago

For real he’s second in total steals, third among guards for blocks, and he plays great post up defense

76人球迷:老实说哈登总抢断联盟第二,总盖帽后卫排第三,而且低位防守很好啊。

[–][TOR] OG Anunobyjovijovi99 206 points 15 hours ago

Steals and blocks are gambles they’re not a guarantee on whether or not you’re a good defender. Roberson gets less steals than Harden is he a worse defender? Curry was the steals leader in 2016 that doesn’t make him DPOY it just means he got the most steals.

Harden has improved his defense greatly though but it’s nowhere near PG.

猛龙球迷:抢断和盖帽赌博,他不能判断你是否是一个好的防守者,罗伯森抢断比哈登少,他是一个更差的防守者嘛?库里2016年抢断王但是这也帮助他获得年度最佳防守球员啊,这仅仅意味着他有最多的抢断罢了。

哈登在防守端确实进步了很多,但这方面离乔治确实还差得远。

[–]MagicOPisaVaG 87 points 15 hours ago

forreal. Steals and blocks are nice but they give the false impression of defense. Tenacity, boxing out, and intelligent switching mean 1000x more than any steal or block. Things that dont show up on the box score.

魔术球迷:确实如此,盖帽和抢断确实很棒,但是他们给予防守以错误印象、压迫、夹击以及聪明的换防要比抢断、盖帽更有意义,而这些东西并不会在计分板上体现出来。

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[–]otis_reading 42 points 14 hours ago

Most here don't realize that Pippen and Jordan were probably the two most disruptive defenders paired together (and maybe even individually...especially if you exclude centers) during their time.

So while Jordan was the elite scorer, he--along with Pippen--were amazing defensive forces. They could turn it on, pressure out past the 3 pt line, and completely turn games. There's a good anecdote about them playing on the Dream Team together and just destroying Kukoc (who was rumored to be great and coming to the Bulls) just out of spite.

很多人实际上没有意识到皮蓬和乔丹可能是在他们那个时候上最强防守组合(可能个体也是……毕竟球队没中锋)

所以乔丹是精英级别的得分手,他和皮蓬同样有着不可思议的防守压迫性,他们一旦功力全开可以在3分线处就施压,而且一整场比赛都可以施加强度,有一件事情就是他们当时在梦之队打球然后在防守端摧毁了库科奇(当时库科奇据说很强,并且传闻要来公牛)。

[–][HOU] Clint CapelaDuche07 72 points 16 hours ago

None of those players are carrying the load Harden is

火箭球迷:没有哪个球员有哈登肩上的进攻压力重。

[–][TOR] OG AnunobyMC-Phillis 44 points 16 hours ago

True but what if Harden carried the same load as these other superstars? I don't think that his defensive impact would change much

猛龙球迷:确实如此,但是如果哈登和其他超级巨星进攻担子一样重呢?我不觉得他的防守影响力会因此改变很多。

[–]Rocketsoldreddit1 42 points 15 hours ago

I don't mind this take if you're being consistent. Someone should have asked Pippen about previous MVPs. Westbrook, Curry, even KD, none of them were dominant on the defensive end. LeBron really hasn't been for years either, although I do remember during his MVP years he was. Going further even Derrick Rose.

I actually like all those players I listed. That's why I can say with honesty they are not defensive stars. And I'll go back even further so people don't think it's just this era, Steve Nash might be one of the worst defenders I've seen and he was a back to back MVP.

Realistically, LeBron, PG, Kawhi are the three big names I can think of going back in recent times who are dominant on both ends/are two way players. But the latter two don't even have an MVP!

If the last couple of years was just Kawhi and PG taking turns at MVP it would be one thing. But where was Pippen's criticism when the recent MVPs were winning it? It sounds to me like the GSW announcers taking shots at Harden and mysteriously avoiding bringing up Steph Curry.

火箭球迷:如果一定要杠,那我也无所谓。应该问问皮蓬此前的MVP都是谁了,威少、库里甚至是杜兰特,他们没有一个人在防守端具有统治力吧。勒布朗那些年同样没有,尽管他在拿MVP的时候我记得防守还是很强的,但是更远的罗斯同样不以防守著称。

当然我很喜欢我列举的那些球员,我说这些就是为了表示他们也不是防守型球员,再往前说,史蒂夫-纳什应该是连庄MVP里最差的防守者了吧。

老实说,莱昂纳德、乔治以及詹姆斯应该是最近在攻防两端都有统治力的球员了吧,但是有两个人都没拿过MVP哦!

如果在到近期,只有莱昂纳德和乔治有机会拿MVP吧,但是为啥皮蓬不批评其他球星呢?看起来就像勇士发言官一直把火力对准哈登然后很神秘的规避掉了库里在防守端的不利。

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