湖人休赛期操作令人费解|或许是在韬光养晦？

2018-07-26 09:57:38 来源：零点吧

Imagine the laughs if LeBron had returned to Cleveland and Rondo, McGee, Stephenson, and Beasley were their big off-season signings. The double standard we give a legend like Magic is baffling

想想一下如果勒布朗留守骑士而骑士休赛季的大动作就是签下隆多、麦基、史蒂芬森以及比斯利，那骑士一定会被疯狂嘲笑的，我们对像魔术师这样的名宿是不是有些双标啊？

The only deal I dislike is Stephenson, but when ESPN puts out an article claiming that the Lakers masterplan is to avoid surrounding LeBron with shooters because that's what his previous failed teams have done (and completely ignoring the fact that his 2016 title came with a ton of good shooters on the roster), and this sub responds by parroting that sentiment repeatedly on every thread and praising that absurdly stupid article, its pretty striking.

我最不喜欢的签约就是史蒂芬森的那笔签约，不过ESPN的写手们说湖人在避免在勒布朗周围摆众多射手因为他们认为这就是勒布朗此前球队失败的原因（完全忽略勒布朗在2016年获得总冠军时拥有的射手），然后零点吧的反应就完全变了，每个言论的回复都是对这篇文章观点的附和以及对这篇文章的称赞。

The reality: Lakers surveyed the market and didn't see any good shooters worth pursuing as a signing at the time (which is the same think OKC did) so they signed some players to affordable short deals knowing they could run it back in a year and try to sign better players. This sub AND espn is so eager to push the "Cavs/GM lebron didn't know what they were doing in Cleveland" narrative that we act like anything different than what the Cavs did is some kind of visionary purpose.

事实是：湖人调查了自由球员市场发现根本没啥好的射手值得签约（雷霆也是如此），所以他们签下了大量短约因为他们明白他们可以在明年卷土重来从而签下更好的球员，零点吧还有ESPN每天都很迫切的去轮骑士，好像上赛季“骑士球员、管理层以及詹姆斯根本不懂他们上赛季做了啥，”现在已经病态到了只要湖人做的事情和骑士不一样，很多人就会说湖人深谋远虑。

The Lakers are just intentionally in a holding pattern on purpose after PG didn't sign, which is the same reason they didn't go after Cousins for a one-year deal. They'll make the playoffs this year (probably as a 3-5 seed) if LeBron is healthy and then go after the best free agents and improve the next year.

在乔治选择与雷霆续约之后，湖人好像刻意陷入了一种韬光养晦的状态，没有给考辛斯一年合同估计也是这样的原因，如果詹姆斯保持健康的话，他们能在这个赛季杀入总决赛（可能是3-5号种子），到了明年他们就能放开手脚尽情追逐最好的自由球员并且提升球队。

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[–]CelticsThe_Real_Neffew 1670 指標 3 天前

This is a gap year

凯尔特人球迷：这是湖人的间隔年。

注：Gap Year是间隔年、空档年，是西方社会通过近代世界青年旅行方式变迁总结出来的概念，大概意思是西方国家的青年在升学或者毕业之后工作之前(近几年越来越多21到23岁、已经获得学位的年轻人也开始给自己一个空档年)，做一次长期的旅行(通常是一年)，让学生在步入社会之前体验与自己生活的社会环境不同的生活方式。

[–]guccikatana 1187 指標 3 天前

A gap year... leading into Lebron's age 35 season.

They ain't got that kind of time.

间隔年……然后勒布朗就35岁了……

湖人似乎没那么多时间啊。

[–][GSW] James Michael McAdooTyre77 440 指標 3 天前

But at this point, what would you have them do? They didn't get PG and Kawhi's asking price was too high (mortgaging their future for a team that would be Lebron + Kawhi + the remaining unexperienced young players.)

Going into "win now" mode with just Lebron would have the same end-of-season result (no ring) but probably be worse for the players' development.

勇士球迷：但是这个时候你还能指望湖人做啥？他们没得到乔治，得到莱昂纳德的代价太过高昂（梭哈未来只为获得詹姆斯+莱昂纳德+一群啥都不会的新兵蛋子）

和勒布朗一起开启“赢在当下”模式可能会重蹈当年骑士覆辙（没有戒指），而且可能会对年轻球员的发展不利。

[–]NuggetsLew_AIcindor 224 指標 3 天前

I guess the question becomes, does LeBron see a path to contention on L.A. even once he begins to decline? I would say yes, otherwise I doubt he would have signed there.

I'd also assume that even beyond Leonard, the Lakers have some kind of plan for FA next season and LeBron is fairly confident in it.

掘金球迷：我觉得问题是，一旦勒布朗开始下滑，他还能在洛杉矶看到竞争总冠军的机会嘛？我的答案是肯定的，否则他不会签约洛杉矶的。

我同样觉得在莱昂纳德之外，湖人一定为下赛季的自由球员市场准备了其他计划，勒布朗对此也是信心满满。

[–]Bullsfriendzonedef 362 指標 3 天前*

does LeBron see a path to contention on L.A.

People are just forgetting that lebron has a kid who want to play HS Ball in LA. Or business savvy lebron is looking ahead for a producer career in hollywood. not every decision lebron will make is about basketball and winning rings especially if he has 3 rings already. one of those rings was in a historic comeback in the finals.

sure lakers have that one year plan, but i bet lebron's camp are not that dumb to realize that at 34, lebron is more prone for a decline inducing injury. nobody saw kobe's injury that led to his decline. la move is not all about rings.

公牛球迷：

人们不记得勒布朗有个孩子在洛杉矶的高中打球吧，另外在商业方面勒布朗也在寻找在好莱坞成为制作人的机会，并不是每一个决策都是篮球决策、勒布朗做得每一个决定也不一定是为了获得总冠军戒指，他毕竟已经有三枚总冠军戒指了，其中有一枚还是史诗级逆转获得的戒指。

的确，湖人这一年可能会有所计划，但是我打赌勒布朗的团队也一定意识到詹姆斯已经34岁了，他很有可能受到伤病的侵袭而导致状态下降，毕竟导致科比的伤病当时也没人能预见到。

他的这次选择并不全是关乎戒指的。

[–][NBA] LeBron JamesDaveCerqueira 125 指標 3 天前

If you follow lebron around then you know this move wasnt for the rings at all. Idk but i never got the impression that he meant to build a super team here, unless pg or leonard were a lock, which they werent. The fact that he was the first to sign with no signs of improving the rest of the team to me showed that he was making a family/bussiness decision.

如果你一直跟随勒布朗左右你就会明白他的这个选择根本不是为了戒指，我从来没觉得他在湖人想建立一支超级球队，除非莱昂纳德和乔治已经在阵中了，但是这并不可能。事实上并没有，詹姆斯第一个签约湖人，当时湖人没有任何要提升球队实力的迹象，所以这让我觉得詹姆斯是为家庭以及商业做出的决定。

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[–]CavaliersKnightThatSaysNi 6316 指標 3 天前

I haven't seen many people at all confident in the Lakers this year. It seems the consensus is "this is weird as shit, it might not work but it will be fun to see if it does"

A lot of people have also been talking about the 1yr deals being an obvious way to put them into a position to be competitive in next year's impressive free agent market.

I don't see the point of this post.

骑士球迷：我从来不觉得有很多人对湖人本赛季有所信心，大家都觉得“这阵容太古怪了，可能这阵容融合不到一起去，但是看到这个阵容还是挺高兴的。”

很多人都说湖人签下一年合同很明显是要在下赛季的自由球员争夺战中占据有利位置。

我不懂这个贴交锋的点在哪。

[–]SunsSprintPrag 204 指標 3 天前

Yea the majority of the top level posts are about this team's meme potential, not on-court potential. Maybe OP is referring just to the main stream media?

太阳球迷：是的，我觉得大部分帖子都在讨论这支球队造梗的能力，而不是他们在球场上的能力，可能楼主讨论的是主流媒体的观点？

[–]CelticsNdbdncofowpeh 873 指標 3 天前*

Very weird. I’m not even sure what would constitute a successful season for this team.

Making the WCF? Being competitive in the second round?

*Why do people think they’re definitely going to see the Warriors in the playoffs?

凯尔特人球迷：真的非常奇怪，我不确定这支球队成功的标准究竟是啥。

杀入东部决赛？在第二轮杀得昏天暗地？

为什么人们都觉得湖人明年一定能和勇士碰撞呢？

[–]eatyovegetablessssss 785 指標 3 天前

Whatever round they meet the warriors in, if they take them more than 5, that’s a success imo

无论在哪一轮他们遇见勇士，如果他们能坚持五场以上，这就是一个成功的赛季。

[–]Lakerskarl_hungas 305 指標 3 天前

This is correct.

湖人球迷：你说得有道理。

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[–]NBAzxc123zxc123 271 指標 3 天前*

I think the Lakers have a lot of general goals including, but not limited to:

Acclimating LBJ with LA/LAL and vice versa

Using veteran exp (LBJ/Rondo) to boost youth growth

Build team chemistry

Rebuild culture of winning

Weed out which 1 year "veteran" Lance/Rondo/McGee/Beasley to keep (if any)

See which "young Laker" to invest in Hart/Ball/Ingram/Kuzma while developing them. All of them will be developed, but not all must be kept.

See if Walton is the coach for the job.

Find a real "death line up". I, for one, don't buy that anonymous LAL exec's optimism of just throwing Kuz/Ball/LBJ/Hart/Ingram together and instantly getting gold(en state). For all we know it could be Rondo or Lance in there instead that gets the best results. Or LAL can end up with no "death" lineup but 2 great lineups of LBJ with veterans playing tough old man game and then LBJ with all rookies at fast pace. Maybe there's a great lineup that goes to "death" once LAL gets another star next FA? That's what GSW did. TL;DR: No one knows until they test to see.

Sign or develop a 3 point specialist or 3&D guy. Eventually one or more 3 point threats will be needed.

Find someone to take that Deng contract.

Do as well as possible for 1 year and reassess what is needed.

Land at least 1 BIG name in free agency and possibly some good smaller ones.

It's just so many things to do. That's probably why even a franchise like that Lakers aren't pushing into a "championship or bust now" mentality.

我认为湖人本赛季有如下目标但不仅局限于此：

1. 让詹姆斯在洛杉矶以及湖人熟络起来

2. 利用詹姆斯、隆多丰富的尽管促进年轻球员成长

3. 建立球队反应

4. 建立赢球文化

5. 确定这些一年合同里有没有值得续约的球员（史蒂芬森/隆多/麦基/比斯利）

6. 看看年轻球员里哈特/鲍尔/英格拉姆/库兹马谁更值得培养，或者他们都很值得被培养，但是不是他们所有人都能被留下

7. 看看沃顿是否适合湖人主教练这个职业

8. 找到湖人真正的死亡阵容，我并不赞成湖人高管的乐观观点——表示只要把库兹马、鲍尔、詹姆斯、哈特以及英格拉姆摆在场上就能立即见效然后干到勇士，但是湖人最强的五人阵容也有可能上史蒂芬森或者隆多啊。

或许湖人拿不出一个“死亡阵容”但是可以为詹姆斯排出两个不错的轮换阵容，一个是一群打球硬派的老将然后勒布朗也可以带着年轻球员打快速篮球，可能明年自由球员市场开启时湖人又添一员猛将然后组成一个真正的死亡阵容呢？这不就是勇士做得事情吗，总结一下：在上场之前没人知道究竟会发生什么

9. 签下或培养一个优质的3D球员，球队最终还是需要一个或者多个三分威胁点的。

10. 找一个球队接盘邓

11. 尽可能打好这个赛季，然后对球队未来的需求进行评估

12. 明年至少拿下一个超级巨星，或者多个小明星也可以。

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[–]Pontus_Pilates 447 指標 3 天前

I thought everybody found these signings comical.

我一直认为每个人都把这些交易当笑话看得呢。

[–]Pelicanserldn123 141 指標 3 天前

Yeah it would be 100% coverage of "Dan Gilbert doesn't know basketball" if the Cavs made identical moves.

鹈鹕球迷：如果这些签约是骑士做得，那一定“丹-吉尔伯特根本不懂球”的言论会层出不穷了。

[–]odinlubumeta 643 指標 3 天前

Ugh. The difference is most of the signings play minor roles. Heavy minutes players are Zo, KCP, Ingram, Kuzma, Lebron, Hart, Rondo. Only one of them is a player you mentioned. People keep acting like the player signed are there starting 5 and that the core is playing only a few minutes off the bench. That’s what is baffling.

Emmmm……我觉得区别在于这些签下来的球员可能发挥不了太多作用，出场时间都是鲍尔、波普、英格拉姆、库兹马、詹姆斯、哈特、隆多的，这里面只有一个人是休赛期签约的球员，人们表现的这些球员要打首发一样，但是实际上这些签下来的球员只能蹲饮水机，这才是最奇怪的地方。

[–]DirtySmiter 305 指標 3 天前

Exactly, there's a post on the front page implying our lineup is: Rondo, Lance, Lebron, Beasley, Javale. In reality it's more like: Zo, KCP, Ingram, Lebron, Javale (or Kuz with Lebron at small ball 5). Counter to OP's scenario, imagine if Cavs got Ingram, Zo and Kuz. They'd be applauding their FO. /r/nba acting like 1 year backup vets on minimal contracts are for sure starting.

是的，零点吧的人们都认为湖人的首发是：隆多、史蒂芬森、詹姆斯、比斯利以及麦基，实际上更有可能是：鲍尔、波普、英格拉姆、詹姆斯、麦基（或者是库兹马、詹姆斯打小球阵容的五号位）想想一下如果骑士得到英格拉姆、鲍尔以及库兹马他们就会被吹上天，但是零点吧的人真的把签约的那些老将当做首发球员了。

[–]RocketsAZRockets 249 指標 3 天前

Kind of weird to get a soon to be 34 year old LeBron so you can plan for the future.

火箭球迷：签下34岁的勒布朗然后说要展望未来好像有点奇怪啊。

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